Betting With Steve is a new horse racing tipster service which is being offered by the eponymous Steve Copley. He claims that his service can produce very consistent winners.
Introduction to Betting With Steve
“Why bet on anything other then [sic] a cert?” asks Steve Copley. And why not indeed? After all, as any bettor will tell you, not betting certs is simply having a bit of fun because we like to lose money. I know that I am being obtuse here but nothing bothers and frustrates me more than when a service decides that the front foot it wants to put forward is based around a concept like, all you need to do to make money is pick winners.
A-duh. And if we could, we would. When said tipsters also go on to imply that they are capable of doing so (like Steve Copley does with Betting With Steve) I am instantly cynical and ready to expect the worst. Being entirely objective however, is this a justified position?
What Does Betting With Steve Offer?
Betting With Steve is not just a tipster service as you or I would typically expect. The logistics of the service demonstrate what may well be amongst the most selective that I have seen. This is in no small part down to the fact that Steve Copley advises just 3-5 selections per week. That is an extraordinarily low number and whilst I can see how the approach is supposed to work, it does put a lot of pressure on a service to perform.
When bets are available, Steve Copley sends them out to Betting With Steve subscribers via email (as well as an option to receive text message notifications) and this is usually just before a race kicks off. 15-30 minutes before, more specifically.
Fortunately, all of the bets that are advised are incredibly straight forward win bets and in theory, you shouldn’t have any problems getting the bets on through the majority of bookies. This is fortunate as Steve Copley does not provide what I would consider to be a lot of information for Betting With Steve bets when they are sent out.
In terms of the numbers, there is a staking plan in place for Betting With Steve and again, this is fortunately very simple (when you don’t have a lot of time to place a bet, anything that complicates it is a problem). All bets that Steve Copley advises are to be backed to just 1 point per bet. Rather interestingly however, your overall betting bank is supposed to be just 15 points. This does not leave a lot of wiggle room should things go wrong.
Steve Copley put a lot of importance on the strike rate for a service and talks about this at length. As you would no doubt expect, this does mean that the strike rate for Betting With Steve is apparently very good. In fact, since January the average has been 52.38% which is a very strong result. Even on the worst month, Betting With Steve supposedly fared well in this regard with a strike rate of 44.44%.
How Does Betting With Steve Work?
The core premise of Betting With Steve is clear, in no small part down to the fact that Steve Copley doesn’t stop talking about it in his communication. Winning small and often is better than winning big. Fundamentally, this is a concept that I can get behind and I have often stated my position that I don’t generally believe that systems which wait for a big win are necessarily viable.
All of this is well and good, however there is something else to be considered here.
Whilst Steve Copley is very up front about his mission statement, there is very little talk about how he actually finds the selections that he talks up so much. In fact, whilst almost everything that I have read about Betting With Steve talks at length about how every other system is wrong, there is no evidence provided which really demonstrates how this is right either. This is a huge concern for me and counts a lot against the overall service.
What is the Initial Investment?
The pricing structure for Betting With Steve is rather interesting for a number of reasons, most of which I want to talk about in detail below. When you sign up for the service, you are buying 50 bets of Steve Copley. These are priced at £49.00 (plus VAT) and this is the only option which is available. Once these bets have passed, you can presumably subscribe again, but it is noteworthy that there is no talk about the future in this regard.
Now, Betting With Steve is sold through Clickbank which is definitely a positive. It means that there is a full 60 day money back guarantee in place should you find that things aren’t for you. It is interesting to not however that this is not mentioned anywhere in the sales material, a fact that ultimately, I find to be rather concerning.
What is the Rate of Return?
Since the start of the year Steve Copley claims that he has made a profit of 70.92 points. This doesn’t seem like a whole lot of money however it is worth considering that Betting With Steve is ultimately based on the concept that you win often and small amounts. Unfortunately, there is no ROI detailed for Betting With Steve in amongst the “results” claimed.
To create some context however, there have been 84 bets supposedly placed since January which would put your ROI around the 85% mark. There is nothing that I would consider to be genuine proofing provided for Betting With Steve however.
Conclusion on Betting With Steve
Whilst the marketing is undoubtedly questionable, one could easily be forgiven for still looking at Betting With Steve and seeing a decent product. The ROI is good, the points profit is well within the realm of possibility (although the lack of proofing is a definite negative here) and in theory, the selective approach of Steve Copley could well work. This is of course based around taking Betting With Steve entirely at face value, something which I almost never recommend doing.
First of all, there is the profit potential of the service. 71 points (as near as makes a difference) is a respectable enough profit. You are looking at not far off 12 points per month on average and that is acceptable. The ROI over the 6 months has also been strong meaning that you could hypothetically have nearly doubled your money. Again, not a bad result at all.
The problems that I have with Betting With Steve however are rather farther reaching. First of all, there is the value for money. You are effectively paying £1 per tip when you sign up to Betting With Steve. This should take you to just over two months, during which point you would have made approximately 23 points. This means that you will have to stake a fair amount in order to make Steve Copley’s tips profitable.
Given the lack of proofing, the last thing that I would recommend is putting large bets on these tips. This means that the immediate result is that you are risking a lot on betting advice that I consider to be quite unqualified. That is just to make a small profit I should add.
There is so much more than this that I find off putting however. Whether it is the highly questionable 15 point betting bank or the fact that you have just 15 minutes to get a tip placed. The fact of the matter is that I just don’t think that Betting With Steve is all that good. There is a lot that doesn’t sit right and even if the historic results can be maintained (a definite “best case scenario”), you are very limited in terms of how you are going to do.