Big Odds Profiteers Review

Big Odds Profiteers is a new to market horse racing tipster service that is operated by a team of 3 professional gamblers. Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan claim that their selections can produce some very substantial profits.

Introduction to Big Odds Profiteers

If there is one thing that I think every single bettor in the world would love to see, it is consistent winners at big odds. I mean, if you were in a position to deliver on that, you’d be set for life, wouldn’t you? Unfortunately, reality often has a nasty knack of getting the way of such things. The truth is that anything with big odds tends to be because there simply isn’t that much chance of something happening. Don’t get me wrong, there is a huge amount to be said for value, but a 33/1 horse being priced at 50/1 is still a rank outsider.

Anyway, the reason I’m starting like this is because if you believe the claims of Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan, they are able to deliver this Holy Grail to us. Big Odds Profiteers is a service that supposedly boasts frequent wins, and at big odds. Probably not surprisingly, there are some massive potential wins off the back of this. In fact, if the sales material is to be believed, this is one of the most profitable services to hit the market in recent years. The thing is, that is a pretty big if.

The fact is that on the surface of things, Big Odds Profiteers seems to be a perfectly good looking service. The results are claimed to be very strong, but importantly, Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan seem to demonstrate it. There is however a minor problem with this. I’ve been in this line of work for a very long time,and the evidence that is presented is things that I’ve seen lots of times. Often with somewhat questionable tipster services. Of course, that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re dealing with another example of that. So, let’s get into it and see what’s what here.  

What Does Big Odds Profiteers Offer?

Big Odds Profiteers is an incredibly simple tipster service. In actual fact, Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan say “It works very easy”. I almost wish I could say that is taken out of context, but I can’t. Now, I will concede the fact that simple doesn’t necessarily have to be a negative. Sometimes, it can actually be quite a good thing.Here though, I am less convinced.

So, what exactly are you getting into? Well, a big thing is made about the fact that this involves betting year round. What we are told is that Big Odds Profiteers bets on both flat racing, as well as National Hunt, specifically across UK and Irish racing. This isn’t anything new, but it does add to that simplicity.

Another thing that builds on this is the way that the service is managed. As you might expect from any modern tipster service, Big Odds Profiteers is email based. Unfortunately, the standards that it is held to is rather lacking, for a number of reasons. Mostly pertaining to a lack of information and the timing.

You see, Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan seem to proclaim somewhat proudly that “you’ll receive tips via email on the day at least 3 hours before the first race”. For those of you who may not know, this isn’t a lot of time. Firstly, it impacts the odds that you are able to obtain as odds typically shorten as the day goes on. Secondly, it doesn’t actually give you much time to place the bets.

This is quite important to keep in mind because I want to come back to that lack of information. You see, what we are told is that you simply “place the bets at any bookie you want”. With a lack of detail on odds and that narrow window of time to get bets placed, Big Odds Profiteers isn’t exactly well placed.

Probably not surprisingly, if at all possible, I would recommend using an odds comparison site. Mostly because you can actually ensure that you’re getting the best possible returns. Something that I can’t help but feel you will want to do with Big Odds Profiteers, because I’m really not convinced that you are going to see close to the results that Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan claim.

Now, let’s talk a little bit about the bets. Keeping with that fundamental theme of simplicity that runs through Big Odds Profiteers, all of the selections that are advised, Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan say you should be backing on an each way basis. Something that actually makes a decent amount of sense.

You see, as the name strongly implies, Big Odds Profiteers is based around betting on horses that have big odds. Typically speaking you will be looking at in excess of 12/1 going significantly higher than that. As such, there is an inherent amount of risk involved. Each way betting allows you to theoretically balance your bank, all whilst still getting those big wins in the event that a horse does come in.

The thing is, if you believe Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan, this will happen quite a lot. The claimed strike rate for Big Odds Profiteers is a really very impressive 52% (at least, in January. We aren’t told much else about the results). A number that is based off 62 bets supposedly landing out of 120. And whilst this also includes a horse placing rather than winning, it is still quite the result.

And it will be needed. You see, one of the biggest concerns that I have in terms of Big Odds Profiteers is the stakes and volume of bets. There are 4 bets provided each day. Ultimately, that doesn’t sound too excessive at all. Right? In theory, I’d be inclined to agree with you. However, there are some concerns surrounding the staking.

You see, what Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan are effectively saying with Big Odds Profiteers is that you should be backing each bet with 10% of your betting bank. That is a ridiculous amount of risk to take on given the odds that you will be betting at. If the claimed strike rate is at all attainable, it may not be terrible, but that is a very big if.

How Does Big Odds Profiteers Work?

Now we come to how Big Odds Profiteers works. The description for all of this is really quite vague, and that doesn’t surprise me if I’m entirely honest. In fact, what we are told the service is about can effectively be put in the simplest terms thusly. It is better because Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan are a group of three.

You might think that sounds like a gross oversimplification, and I am sure that they would argue that it is. But I will stand by that statement. Whilst there are things we can ascertain about Big Odds Profiteers, there is very little that is actually said. For example, as I mentioned earlier, there is proven merit in backing longer odds horses on an each way basis. That is a demonstrable strategy.

The thing is, it doesn’t really count for anything if there isn’t a decent way of selecting those horses. Which brings me full circle to my first point. Whilst there are claims that the Big Odds Profiteers team have considerable experience with betting etc. there isn’t any insight into what they’re doing or how. It really does just boil down to the idea that that Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan all have to agree on a bet before it is sent out.

What really concerns me about all this is the fact that Big Odds Profiteers is finding 4 bets every day. That is a hell of a lot of horses to be finding every day within the parameters that Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan set for themselves. And on top of that, there isn’t really much evidence. It might look good at first glance (given all the betting slips), but I am very sceptical of a lack of real proofing or insight.

What is the Initial Investment?

If you want to sign up to Big Odds Profiteers there are two options available, and I’ll be frank. Neither of them necessarily seem like good value. Firstly, you can sign up to Big Odds Profiteers for a “30 Days Test Run” which will set you back £47 (plus VAT). That is right at the top end of what I’d expect to pay for a tipster service, and even then, it would have to do more to convince me than Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan do.

The option that is very clearly supposed to be the more attractive one is signing up to Big Odds Profiteers for 180 days. Given that this will set you back “just” £97 (again, plus VAT) for  6 months, it appears to be phenomenal value. I am however hugely sceptical about just how much realistic benefit you will get from this lengthier subscription.

Something that is worth noting is that there is a full 30 day money back guarantee in place with Big Odds Profiteers. This is backed up by the fact that the service is being sold through Clickbank. Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan however are a little more conditional. They say that if you haven’t made a profit after 30 days, they will give you a refund. This is contrary to the fact that Clickbank “will allow for the return or replacement of any product within 30 days from the date of purchase”.

What is the Rate of Return?

I won’t mince my words here. Big Odds Profiteers is supposedly very profitable. Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan claim that they are “already up over £26,500 in cold hard profit from the bookies since last October when they started”. That is a hell of a claim to make.

Especially when you start to break these numbers down. You see, using the £50 stakes that all of the betting slips show, that would mean a profit of 530 points in about 4 months. Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan are effectively saying that their selections are capable of making more in 4 months than a decently performing tipster might see in 2 years. All backed up by very little of substance.

Conclusion for Big Odds Profiteers

There are a lot of reasons to be sceptical of tipster services and betting systems in this day and age. The truth is that there is a lot of rubbish on the market. And it all seems to follow the same kind of template that also fits Big Odds Profiteers. Huge profits? Check. Questionable circumstances for said service to exist in? Check. A lack of comprehensive evidence? Check. 

The thing is, none of it seems that way. Not until you start to really scrutinise things, and that is something that I cannot recommend doing enough with any tipster service. This applies to obvious things that I’ve already mentioned like how Big Odds Profiteers supposedly works. Something that is really quite important. It is certainly something that is more important that 3 blokes have put their heads together.

There are also more subtle things. You see, one of the things that I have expressed a lot of doubt about with Big Odds Profiteers are the results. This isn’t without reason. You see, Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan claim that their strike rate is 52% across January. A number based off 62 bets winning out of 120. Do you know how many of those are shown?

Across the whole of the evidence showing how successful Big Odds Profiteers is, Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan show exactly 26 betting slips. Just 16 of those are actually from January. So, what you have here is a situation in which there are clearly records kept, because we can be told how many bets have won. We just aren’t shown them. Conveniently…

This is a problem that also scales up. It is apparent that Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan are keeping some logs for Big Odds Profiteers. But why are we only given the strike rate for January? Not for the bigger picture. There are lots of possible reasons, but I rather suspect that the most likely one is that they just don’t really exist. After all, if you had it, why wouldn’t you share it?

Combine all of those incredibly valid concerns with the fact that really, Big Odds Profiteers is quite expensive and you have a service that I just can’t bring myself to recommend. It is very easy to make something that seems appealing at a glance. It is much more difficult too follow through on that and make a service that actually has merit. And I really don’t believe that Jake Firth, Darren McManus, and Robbie Logan do this.

 

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