Collective Bets is a brand new horse racing tipster service which is being sold by one Graham Moss. He claims that the service has been able to make huge amounts of profit by drawing on the knowledge of a crack team of tipsters.
Introduction to Collective Bets
“Meet the Most Notorious Betting Team on the Planet” reads the headline for Collective Bets. How can you not be sucked in by that concept? Especially when you start to look at the profits that the team claim as well!
Truth be told, I am by nature rather cynical, and years of looking at tipster services which are well marketed make me naturally suspicious of anything which makes extravagant claims. Of course, I have been wrong about such things before and there is always the possibility that I will be wrong again (although I don’t like to admit that).
Because of this, I like to follow up on everything and Collective Bets is no different. Truth be told, if Graham Moss and his supposed team can deliver even a quarter of what they claim, you would be on to a bona fide winner.
What Does Collective Bets Offer?
Despite the rather complex arrangement that is seemingly in place behind the scenes, Collective Bets looks to be a pretty straight forward tipster service. Selections are issued to subscribers on a daily basis, they are sent out by email, and to quote Graham Moss all you have to do is “place your bets” and “win money”.
Emails are sent out to Collective Bets subscribers in the morning which allows you time to place your bets, however it is worth noting that the content of these is rather bare bones.
In terms of the bets themselves, there isn’t a lot here that stands out about Collective Bets here either. What I have seen so far suggests that you will be dealing with back to win bets, at middling to somewhat longer odds, all at a relatively low volume.
The fact that Graham Moss has little to say on the matter is in line with some of my initial concerns. I have to highlight that I am working with very limited data here, but there seems to be very few indicators of any viable strategy underlying Collective Bets.
This brings me on to the numbers side of Collective Bets, and as you might guess, it is rather disappointingly lacking. Starting with the staking plan. Put bluntly, there isn’t one. Graham Moss simply says that you should bet with your local bookmakers.
This is particularly problematic as the results for Collective Bets are all based on pounds and pence, a problem that I will absolutely come back to a little later on. What I would say is that if you were going to follow Graham Moss and his teams advice, level stakes should work out, although I would keep these on the low side.
Finally, I want to talk about the strike rate and proofing for Collective Bets. Now, we are given a claimed strike rate which is a definite plus. Graham Moss says that as of July 2018, the strike rate for Collective Bets was above 88%.
This would be a phenomenal result for a laying tipster, but for somebody who advises backing horses, it is beyond belief. Unfortunately, this is a rather literal statement as there is absolutely no proofing provided for Collective Bets.
How Does Collective Bets Work?
I have mentioned Graham Moss and his team a number of times and apparently, their combined knowledge is ultimately at the core of the services success. As such, in looking at how Collective Bets works, I believe it is best to break down their profiles.
- Graham Moss himself is “the bossman”, although he sees all of his team as equal. He says that without their knowledge, contacts, and input, he wouldn’t be able to make Collective Bets work.
- John Brooke has supposedly been betting on horses for more than 40 years. He is described as an “old school punter” and supposedly knows horse racing like the back of his hand.
- Melanie Brooke is described as “John’s Daughter and Protégé”. In a great mythical style, some supposedly say she knows more “about the nags” than her old man.
- Eugene hall is a formal stable owner and “general busybody”. Graham Moss says that he is the first to hear about any gossip within the industry.
- Dennis Hughes has apparently known Graham Moss for 12 years, despite which, Graham Moss “still wouldn’t trust him as far as [he] could throw him”. Despite having “NO IDEA” where he gets his tips from, they are still included with Collective Bets as his information is supposedly correct 9 times out of 10.
- Paul Ryan is a former bookmaker. He is supposedly able to play the odds and “more often than not he knows when a race is fixed”.
- James Ward is the intern and “a real whiGraham Moss on the computer”. He apparently triple checks all of the data before final selections are made.
By utilising all of their supposed strengths, Graham Moss claims that he is able to offer a complete betting product.
What is the Initial Investment?
There is only one option I you want to subscribe to Collective Bets which is a one time payment. This is priced at £29.99. This supposedly buys you access to selections from Graham Moss’s team for “a minimum of FIVE YEARS”.
I am rather doubtful of this for reasons that I will explore a little later on. If there is one saving grace to this, Collective Bets is sold through Clickbank. This means that there is a full 60 day money back guarantee in place. To credit Graham Moss where I can, this is well advertised in the sales material.
What is the Rate of Return?
The headline for Collective Bets claims that “THIS YEAR” (something which isn’t clarified as to whether they mean a rolling 12 months or the calendar year), the team have made £126,431.29. This is backed up by a William Hill account which has this amount supposedly sat in it.
This account is however purely Graham Moss’s which is somewhat confusing. Elsewhere, there are claims of making a minimum od £2,500 in your first week and £10,000 per month. Unfortunately, without any detail of stakes, these numbers don’t really mean anything in my opinion.
Conclusion to Collective Bets
If I were looking to write a new “Oceans” film based around the horse racing world, the characters that Graham Moss claims are a part of his business are almost exactly the kind of characters I would create. It is almost as though the marketing material for Collective Bets has been written to entirely sell a service.
Does this mean that it is necessarily ingenuous?
Not in and of itself, however there are some other rather compelling bits of evidence that don’t quite make sense.
One of the key ones that stands out to me surrounds the profit claims. First of all, £126,000 in a year is a massive amount of money. Looking at most realistic tipster services, you would be looking at £500 per point in order to make this level of income.
And yet, Collective Bets tries to tell you that this is something that everybody can set out to achieve. I am not convinced about this. One of the many reasons that I say that is because when you look at this supposed income, it is all in Graham Moss’s betting account.
The fact of the matter is this. For all of the claims which are made about how good Collective Bets supposedly is, there is very little in the way of evidence to back these claims up. In fact, what you are actually looking at is the one screenshot that I have already mentioned.
I would love to believe Graham Moss and his results, but there simply isn’t enough given to make me buy into it. I genuinely believe that if you follow this service, the only long term outcome is going to be you losing money.