Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker is a new to market horse racing tipster service which is operated by the eponymous Darren Turnbill. He claims that his selections are able to produce some very substantial profits.
Introduction to Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker
Am I ready to make some serious profits? Darren Turnbill asks in the headline for his tipster service, Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker. Well, of course I am! Aren’t we all? Of course, if I believed everything that I read online, I would be well and truly bankrupt by now. And if every tipster that makes claims of producing brilliant profits could deliver, I’d be retired and spending December on my yacht in the Med.
So, where does this leave me with Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker? The short answer to this is understandably sceptical. I know that it’s always fun to have a bit of a laugh about the number of dodgy tipsters out there, but that’s only because I know how to avoid them. In fact, Darren Turnbill actually says the same kinds of things in his sales material.
But the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people who lose a lot of money to the same kind of promises made here. Does this mean that Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker and Darren Turnbill fall into this category? Absolutely not. In fact, nothing would make me happier than all of this being above board and there genuinely being huge profits to be had here. But I’m just not convinced.
What Does Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker Offer?
The sales material for Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker makes it perfectly clear that Darren Turnbill isn’t like other tipsters. He makes direct reference to “those “wannabe tipsters” feeding your loser after loser, day in day out”. And I will admit that actually, there are a number of elements that relate to the service that are definitely a bit different to the norm. But they are very much in the minority.
One of the things that immediately stand out to me about Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker is the fact that this isn’t your average daily tipster service. In theory, that counts as a positive for the service. Instead, Darren Turnbill sends out his tips every Monday through Friday (although even in this window, there are still the occasional no bet day). This means that you are able to have the weekend off. Interestingly though, there is no explanation for why this is.
In terms of the other logistical elements, Darren Turnbill issues selections directly via email (very much what you expect these days). What is good to see though is that he actually sends out selections the evening before betting, typically before 10pm. This gives you plenty of time to get bets placed and also means that it should fit most people’s schedules. A definite positive.
One of the things that is worth keeping in mind however is that the quality of email that you receive is somewhat lacking. Sure, you get enough information to know what bets you are placing, but that is about it. Darren Turnbill doesn’t offer any advice on odds etc. which means that there is a lot of “your mileage may vary” going on. As such, something like Oddschecker will serve you well here.
In terms of the bets, what Darren Turnbill does is something that is very different. This is a pretty regimented service. Every day, you will receive just 3 selections through Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker. However, all of these selections are supposed to be compiled into one bet. Something that Darren Turnbill doesn’t actually make too clear until you have signed up for the service and start receiving your emails.
With that said, this does bring me to one of those “interesting” areas. All of the bets that are advised through Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker are treble bets. Now this is something that I’ve seen used successfully before now, but usually on football betting. The truth is that picking consistent accumulators that win, even relatively smaller examples, is incredibly difficult to do.
Naturally, the accumulators do massively increase the odds that are available to you. In fact, whilst Darren Turnbill doesn’t necessarily make any specific claims in terms of this, he does show “evidence” of winning bets at odds ranging from a little over 18/1, going all the way up to 251/1. The implication here clearly being that you can get some big wins. But again, given that you don’t receive odds advice with Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker, you are at your own mercy here.
Staking wise, Darren Turnbill uses a level staking plan for Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker. This is all well and good and pretty much what I would expect from something like this. Somewhat randomly though, all bets that he places are supposedly £30 per point. Something that I haven’t help but feel is there to make the rather preposterous sounding income potential look believable. But I’ll come back to this shortly.
Finally, we come to the strike rate. Or more specifically, the lack thereof. When presenting his evidence, Darren Turnbill has 4 winners in 10 days. That means that he is claiming a strike rate of 40% for this time period. Now there are two very large problems that I have with this.
First of all, there isn’t really any proofing. All we get are supposed screenshots showing winning betting slips. Something that I am highly sceptical about considering as genuine. Secondly, even if these are genuine, I don’t see any way that you can get those big odds winning on a consistent basis. And yet, we are presented these results as thought they will be commonplace for Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker.
How Does Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker Work?
As I’ve already mentioned, one of the things that really stood out to me when I first looked at Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker was Darren Turnbill’s attitude to the tipster industry. The unfortunate truth of the matter is that there are a lot of questionable options out there, and he is more than willing to call out this fact.
And given that he has been “suckered in by all those crooks” and “Every single week there seemed to be a “new best system yet” been advertised”, you would expect him to really want to be different. And one would hope that this includes some information on what the selection process behind Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker is.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a detailed breakdown, but asking people to blindly back your trebles on the grounds that there might be a big win is a pretty big ask. What I would have really liked to see here is just a bit of insight into the selection process aside from Darren Turnbill saying that he has picked and chosen bits from a few different services and developed a “specific selection criteria”.
The fact is it isn’t even like you get proper proofing to gain some insight into what you can expect in the longer term. Honestly, that is massively problematic to me. I will always argue that you should have some idea what you are getting into, and in the case of Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker, there is no real way of doing this.
What is the Initial Investment?
There are two options that are available if you want to sign up to Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker. The first of these is a “2 Month Plan” (a length of time that seems peculiar, but actually, I have my suspicions as to why this is) which is priced at £40 plus VAT. Alternatively, you can sign up for the whole year on the Yearly Plan for £120 plus VAT.
It is worth keeping in mind that there is a full 60 day money back guarantee in place if you sign up to Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker (which to be fair to Darren Turnbill, he mentions quite clearly in the sales material). This means that should you have problems/find that this isn’t for you, you can claim a refund through them.
What is the Rate of Return?
There are a few claims made in terms of the income potential for Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker that I want to talk about. Arguably the main one is that in just 10 days of betting, Darren Turnbill make £10,576.45. That is a huge amount of money that has supposedly been made to those £30 stakes. Now, to contextualise this number, that is a 352.54 point profit in 10 days. More than a lot of decent genuine tipsters will make in a year.
Elsewhere, Darren Turnbill also claims that by following his method, Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker can “sometimes increase your bank over 1000% in just one week”. Again, I think it’s really important to put this number into context. This means getting bank £1,000 for ever £100 in your betting bank, something that I just don’t buy into. This is in no small part down to a lack of evidence.
Conclusion for Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker
It has been some time since I’ve looked at a tipster service that I have found to be so questionable. And there are a hell of a lot of reasons for this. First of all, I have a lot of concerns about how Darren Turnbill has supposedly stumbled upon his system. Let’s be frank here, you aren’t really given a scrap of tangible evidence. And that is problem number one of many.
But let’s go start by actually going back to what first stood out to me, which was Darren Turnbill calling out all of those questionable tipster services. Honestly, it is refreshing to see that, because they are genuinely out there. Unfortunately, when your own tipster service ends up falling into that same category, it doesn’t look so good.
Here’s the thing. Can you win consistently with smaller accumulators? Do you know what, I think that in theory, it can be done. In fact, with some betting markets, I’ve seen it done before. With horse racing though? At the odds that Darren Turnbill implies you will be betting at? I’m not so sure about that. Especially given (and I hate to sound like a broken record) that lack of evidence.
So, where I’m currently at is a tipster service that has a rather risky betting approach. No real explanation as to what is involved or proofing to back the (frankly ridiculous sounding) claims up. And claimed income that is more in 10 days than other people make in a year, again, entirely unsubstantiated.
That is enough that I could easily wrap this up here and now and say that this isn’t worth your time. I can see how Darren Turnbill has made this appealing, especially with that 60 day money back guarantee (which conveniently runs out the day of the cheaper subscription ending). But for me, there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that it is pretty far from this.
But there is also a little bit more to Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker as well. And it is all stuff that is very much “back end”. Essentially, the vendor who is actually selling the product through Clickbank is one who is well known to me. And unfortunately, it isn’t for good reasons.
The fact is that I have seen a lot of different tipster services being offered by them under different pen names, product names, and betting approaches. Not surprisingly, to the best of my knowledge, none of them remain available. In fact, they seem to be quietly closed around 3 months after launching.
This creates a situation whereby whilst Darren Turnbill’s Win Picker, entirely on its own merits, doesn’t deserve a recommendation. Factor in those back end elements though, and I can say with confidence that this is one that you will want to avoid.