Down Under Doubles is a new to market horse racing tipster service which is being offered by tipster Phil Robertson. He claims that his bets are able to return substantial profits from low risk betting.
Introduction to Down Under Doubles
One of the things that I undoubtedly love about this line of work is all of the marketing that you see. There are so many approaches that tipsters will take in order to make themselves seem legitimate and above board. By far and away my favourite method is what I call the “aggressive don’t waste my time” approach. The mere suggestion that a tipster is that confident that they are telling people to go away somehow sells a service to some people.
I am not one of them. As such, when Phil Robertson says of his service, Down Under Doubles, that “This is NOT for you!” if you expect winners every day and can’t fund losing runs, are looking for a get rich quick scheme, and aren’t “willing to give this a proper go for at least a month”, I question why this isn’t for you. Especially because the sales material does a very good job of selling on the service being both a get rich quick scheme and as having winners pretty much daily.
So, it is a very interesting start to Down Under Doubles. And as such, I am more than keen to have a deep dive into this and see just whether or not it is all genuine. I will say now that I have a gut feeling going into it, however, I will also exercise professionalism as well and keep an open mind. With that said, let’s dive straight in.
What Does Down Under Doubles Offer?
Whilst there is plenty of talk made about just how seemingly special Down Under Doubles actually is, the fact of the matter is that this is a very straight forward tipster service. In fact, I would go as far as to say that in many respects, this is one of the single most wholly unremarkable tipster services that I have looked at for some time.
Of course, that doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Phil Robertson talks about making consistent profit and if that means boring, I’ll take that any day of the week. However, as I want to explore, the fact that everything is so… Well, standard, is something that I actually see as a bit of a red flag here.
It all starts when you talk about the logistics of the service. Phil Robertson says that only tips five days a week leaving weekends off. He is also quick to disparage other services for things like backing “crazy outsiders that don’t stand a chance” or recommending as many as 10 bets per day.
By contrast, Down Under Doubles advises just 4 bets per day. As you would expect, these are sent out directly via email, usually before 10pm. However, it isn’t worth coming into this expecting quality from these emails. Phil Robertson simply sends out tips with odds taken from Betfair saying “what you use is up to you” and that you need to shop around to get the best odds.
Now, using an odds comparison site isn’t a difficult thing, but for my money, this disregard sends out a bit of an unprofessional image. The fact is that I have dealt with hundreds of tipsters in my time, and professionals will always aim to ensure that punters are as informed as possible before placing bets, usually including advised odds.
I mentioned earlier that there are 4 bets per day sent out, 5 days a week. Now it is quite interesting to me that Phil Robertson is keen to paint Down Under Doubles as almost being a low volume service, because I don’t think that it is.
20 bets per week is quite a lot. Making this number doubly interesting is the fact that because of the bet type, this actually means that that Phil Robertson is finding 40 selections per week, from Australian horse racing, without fail. One hopes that he has a decent selection process in place…
So, those bets. Down Under Doubles is a service that, as the name implies, is exclusively based around backing horses on a double. Inherently, there isn’t anything wrong with this, but the reasoning behind using them is a bit… Well, I almost want to say flawed or basic (a term I find myself thinking a lot). But I will explore all of this in more detail shortly.
What I will say about the doubles is that they do allow for some pretty long shots. Examples in Phil Robertson’s “evidence” include a bet that supposedly came in at the incredibly long shot of 45/1. This is a somewhat at odds with the narrative and the fact that Down Under Doubles involves not backing “crazy outsiders that don’t have a chance”.
Really, this only leaves the more “numbers” based things to focus on, namely the staking plan and the strike rate. Now the staking plan is quite simple. Phil Robertson says that he personally backs all bets to level stakes of £25 each, with that equating to one point. Obviously, this is scalable and you can ultimately bet how much you feel comfortable with.
What is rather conspicuous in its absence however is a lack of advice on a betting bank. Again, professional services that I have looked at in the past have included all of this information. For what it’s worth, if I were looking at following Down Under Doubles, I would want a bank of at least 100 points. In theory, this gives us 5 straight weeks of losses and honestly, there is a chance you may need this significant drawdown.
In terms of the strike rate, there aren’t any specific claims that are made. However, there are some things that we can calculate. Phil Robertson typically advises 20 bets per week, and the evidence that he provides shows 12 winning bets over 13 betting days (very close to an average of a winner a day).
This means a strike rate of a little less than 25%, which seems reasonable. However, I don’t believe it to be an accurate representation of the kind of results that you can actually expect. In fact, from what I have seen, you will be getting much lower than this.
How Does Down Under Doubles Work?
Now we come to one of the biggest problems that I have with Down Under Doubles, namely, that there is absolutely no explanation as to how the service works. Now, I am sure that Phil Robertson would point at the fact that he actually provides a breakdown of what his strategy entails, but I don’t consider that to be particularly insightful.
The fact of the matter is that you aren’t told anything about what the selection process involves. Sure, we are told that doubles are chosen because you can get higher profits from lower odd selections, and that the volume of bets and stakes are chosen so that you have a “low” daily investment.
But that just isn’t enough for me. The fact of the matter is that Phil Robertson doesn’t actually say anything that suggest that he knows what he is talking about. And for me, that is very important. I want a tipster who knows the sport that they are tipping, which isn’t the case with Down Under Doubles.
On top of this, it isn’t even like there is any kind of comprehensive proofing that you can look at to at least get an idea of what you are getting yourself into. Instead, everything boils down to simply taking Phil Robertson’s word that he knows what he is doing. And with something like Down Under Doubles, that can lead you to ruin very quickly.
What is the Initial Investment?
Phil Robertson has just one option available if you want to sign up to Down Under Doubles. This is a one time payment of £30 (plus VAT) for which you get 3 months of access. This of course means paying just £10 per month which is exceptionally cheap.
It is worth noting that because this is being sold through Clickbank, there is a full 60 day money back guarantee in place. A fact that, to credit Phil Robertson, is mentioned quite clearly in the sales material for Down Under Doubles.
What is the Rate of Return?
There is only really one number in terms of the income potential of Down Under Doubles, and it is oft repeated. That is Phil Robertson saying that over 13 days, he made a profit of £4,019.85 to £25 stakes. This equates to a profit of 160.8 points in less than 2 weeks. This is a huge number, however, you should keep in mind that there isn’t really a lot of evidence backing this up.
Conclusion for Down Under Doubles
When you first look at the sales material for Down Under Doubles, there is one thing that stands out to me more than anything else, and that is the tone that is taken. I know that I’ve already touched on it, but Phil Robertson goes in hard telling you about why this might not be right for you.
Now from a genuine tipster, this can be appreciated. An open and upfront point about how a service works and what you can expect from it can really help you to understand if it is something you can make work. But with Down Under Doubles not only are these statements frustratingly (and I can’t help but think purposefully) vague, they are somewhat contradictory.
Let’s start with this not being a “Get Rick Quick” scheme. Now, I can’t speak for everybody, but if you were making £4,019.84 profit every two weeks, I’d say that would make you pretty wealthy. In actual fact this would put you very much in the 99th percentile. In other words, you would be considered pretty damn rich.
Secondly, not having winners every day and funding losing runs. Well, I will concede that despite the seemingly incredible results (which let’s keep very much in mind are implied to be a relatively common place thing), the strike rate for Down Under Doubles isn’t necessarily that great. And as such, you probably will have to fund bets, but if you’re taking 160 points in profit that’s hardly a problem.
The final thing that Phil Robertson insists is actually a part of the red flags that I see with Down Under Doubles. You see, when you ask people to give your service time, that can be for two reasons. For a genuine tipster, this can be to ensure that you are really giving their approach some time to work. However, a genuine tipster will also generally explain what that approach is as well.
In the case of Down Under Doubles, I can’t help but wonder whether or not you are being encouraged to stick around and try it to ensure that you get past the first two months of your three month subscription. That way, you can’t claim a refund through Clickbank.
And I can imagine what you’re thinking right now. All of this seems incredibly speculative. But unfortunately, it isn’t without reasonable grounds. The fact is that I am well acquainted with the vendor who is selling this. They have put out a lot of tipster services that are ultimately set up very similarly.
They have also yet to actually produce any consistent long term profit (based off what I have seen, and I have seen a lot). But even if you put all of this aside, there is plenty wrong with Down Under Doubles.
You don’t get any real information or evidence that demonstrates that this is genuine. Sure, there are a few betting slips, but honestly, this is very easily fabricated and doesn’t actually tell you anything. Furthermore, I remain very suspicious of the sheer volume of tipsters coming out of the woodwork who suddenly specialise in things like international horse racing.
Again this is very applicable when you factor in that Phil Robertson doesn’t tell you anything about his process. So, what you have here is a service being sold by a vendor with a… Well, less than stellar reputation. There is no proofing for the service, no insight to lead you believe that it is genuine, and a profit that really is just too good to be true.
Putting that all together and as much as I can see how this might be appealing, I wouldn’t recommend buying into it. I simply don’t believe that there is any money to be made here, and the best case scenario that I would anticipate is you get a few lucky wins and you’re bale to cash out. But that seems very unlikely.