Punters United Review Dr. John Frederick

Punters United is a new to market horse racing tipster service which is being offered by Dr. John Frederick. He claims that his approach to betting has generated a very substantial 6 figure income.

Introduction to Punters United

If there is one element of this line of work that I have come to really adore, it is the copy that I see. I’m not necessarily saying that I buy into it. And I certainly don’t believe that the tipsters and internet marketers involved intend it to be this way, but it is always interesting and oftentimes entertaining.

I won’t lie. The sales material that Dr. John Frederick has put together does a fantastic job of selling the concept of Punters United. After all, it stands to reason, surely, that lots of bettors coming together can collate their selections and get an edge over the bookies. Right? And a Doctor no less? That just screams trustworthiness, right?

Combine this with some incredible looking numbers and a not at all expensive cost, and I can see why this is a very appealing tipster service. Whether or not any of it is rooted in any sort of fact is a very different question however, and one I am keen to answer over the course of this look at Punters United. So, let’s get straight down to it.

What Does Punters United Offer?

In terms of what you are actually getting with Punters United, I can say here and now that it isn’t anything new or really ground breaking. In actual fact, I would say that it is all relatively straight forward. Even if there is a clear implication that you can engage in creative flourishes if you are inclined, but I’ll come back to this.

So, what is Dr. John Frederick and his team offering? Put very bluntly, you are looking at your usual fare of an “independent” horse racing tipster service. Selections are, as you can probably see coming issued directly via email. All of this is very much in line with the majority of tipster services that are out there.

These selections are sent out on a daily basis, typically landing on the morning of the days racing. From here, Dr. John Frederick and his business partners saying that all you will have to do is place your bets with a bookie of your choice. This can be online or it can he your local bookie “if you’re old school”.

Not surprisingly, this means that there isn’t too much information contained within the emails that Dr. John Frederick and his team send out to Punters United. As always in these kinds of circumstances, I am forced to conclude that if you are interested in following the service, Oddschecker would be a tool that would serve you well.

Now, moving on to the bets themselves. This is where things start to become a little bit more interesting, if you are so inclined that is. What Dr. John Frederick and his team recommend to Punters United subscribers is a straight forward affair. It is based around backing horses to win. There is nothing new in this.

In one of the so called testimonials though, there is a “client” of Punters United who talks about putting their bets into a Lucky 63. Now, I believe this to be a rather shrewd marketing technique as it allows Dr. John Frederick to highlight how you could make close to £1,500 off £1 per point bets, without actively suggesting it (and being responsible in the long term, a salient point I will return to).

As I hope is apparent by this point what Dr. John Frederick and his team are definitively recommending themselves is a very vanilla service in every sense of the word. This ranges from the odds that you are backing (just long enough to be enticing, not long enough to be impactful when a winner comes in) to the volume of bets (rarely more than 3-5 bets per day).

You could easily be led to believe that there is something to this straight forward approach when you look at some of the claimed numbers that surround Punters United. For example, Dr. John Frederick and his associates claim that their approach to betting has an 80% strike rate. If that is the case, then there is little wrong with adopting a basic approach.

It should be kept in mind however that this claimed number isn’t actually substantiated anywhere. There is some very questionable proofing whatsoever for Punters United which lists the claimed results on a month by month basis, but I am sceptical of this. Elsewhere in the sales material, the testimonials suggest that the strike rate would be lower than this claimed figure.

For example, one of Dr. John Frederick’s “clients” makes reference to a “rubbish day” that has been made up for with “3 winners, one second and 2 thirds”. That would in fact suggest a strike rate of some 50% given that bets aren’t advised as each way with the day before seemingly being even worse than this.

Finally, I want to talk about the staking plan, or more specifically, the lack thereof. Dr. John Frederick doesn’t actually ever make any mention of how much he and his team are betting in order to get close to the results that are claimed. This is hugely frustrating, especially because all of the financial claims are based around pounds and pence.

Realistically, I would be looking at level stakes if I were going to follow Punters United, and they would be minimal. The fact of the matter is that despite the claims made, I am not convinced that Dr. John Frederick has really put together a particularly low risk betting service here.

How Does Punters United Work?

One of the areas that Dr. John Frederick is quite keen to talk about in detail is how Punters United works. Honestly, this is one of the few things that I can say about the service that is a positive. Whether or not I actually put any weight behind these claims is a very different kettle of fish though.

Effectively, we are told that Dr. John Frederick is a part of a much larger group of punters who are involved in Punters United. This includes his business partners David Robertson and Dan Richter. The idea here isn’t anything new and it effectively involves all of the different bettors who are involved in Punters United providing their betting advice. s

When selections are made, we are told that this is then compared to the results of a piece of software that utilises an algorithm which “leverages artificial intelligence and machine learning”. All of this sounds impressive, however I am inclined to say that I don’t entirely buy into this for reasons that I will cover a little later.

In theory, by combining the selections of punters and software, you are getting tips that are all but guaranteed. It definitely sounds impressive and if you choose not to question any of these unsubstantiated claims, then Punters United looks very good. I am not inclined to take things like this on face value however. 

What is the Initial Investment?

There is only one option that is available if you want to sign up for Punters United and that is a one time fee. Dr. John Frederick is asking £29.99 (plus VAT) for access to the service for life. This represents a huge reduction on the claimed actual value of the service which his supposedly £126.99. I don’t believe that this number was ever intended to be charged however. 

It is worth noting that because the service is being sold through Clickbank, there is a full 60 day money back guarantee in place. There isn’t a lot of credit that I believe I can realistically give to Dr. John Frederick, but the fact that this is well advertised is one of the small positives about Punters United.

What is the Rate of Return?

The headlining figure for the service in terms of the income potential is that Dr. John Frederick makes £204,867.80 per year through betting. The implication of this is of course that you can attain a similar level of income, something that I really can’t bring myself to believe.

Elsewhere, we are told that you can expect to make at least £4,000 per week “guaranteed”. Now, this is a particularly interesting number to me as Dr. John Frederick and his team provide a crude breakdown of how Punters United has supposedly performed, month on month.

So, every month has ended between 40 and 50 points, according to this “proofing” (which I really don’t believe). For sake of ease, I will arrive at an average of 44 points which means 11 points per week profit. This means betting £363.63 in order to reach this number of £4,000 per week.

This means that even if Punters United were hitting 11+ points per week, you would have to stake far more than most people have. I have my suspicions on why these discrepancies exist and I will talk about this a little later.

Conclusion for Punters United

I know I am usually pretty cynical, and on occasion, this may not entirely be justified. But when you spend so much time looking at rubbish and questionable products, it makes sense to question everything. And when it comes to something like Punters United, I am always glad that I have done that.

What you have here is a fantastic example of why that is so important. Because on the surface of things, Punters United looks… Well, it arguably looks reasonable enough. Here are certain statements that are made that I think just make sense when you look at them.

For example, it stands to reason that more punters coming together and combining their knowledge will perform better than a single tipster. And Dr. John Frederick is a Doctor. We all trust our doctors, right? So surely Dr. John Frederick is more trustworthy than Joe Average, every day punter come millionaire, right?

But start to peel things back and it becomes quite apparent that there is definitely less to Punters United that there initially seems. In fact, there are a lot of things that just don’t really add up. Now, the main one of these is the claimed profit and loss, and I will come to this shortly. But I want to talk about a few other examples as well.

 I’d like to start by talking about that strike rate as I believe that it is one of the more obvious examples of what should be questioned. Any service that is winning more than 80% of the time is doing exceptionally well, even if they are a lay betting service. Backing horses to win at these kinds of numbers though is unheard of.

And of course, it isn’t actually proofed anywhere. Furthermore, as mentioned, if you actually look at those testimonials, they seem to be very much at odds with what is claimed. Again, this is the kind of discrepancy that you might easily miss, especially if you get caught up in the excitement of a Lucky 63 coming in like it supposedly did.

Then there are numerous other examples that have nothing banking them up, but sound suspicious to me. For example, Dr. John Frederick’s claim that Punters United is the No.1 Racing Tipster Service. The software that is supposedly so great, but never really explored in detail. It is just full of impressive sounding words that don’t actually mean a whole lot.

Finally, we come to the biggest discrepancy which is the claimed profits. I just don’t see how the numbers that Dr. John Frederick claims in terms of pounds and pence feasibly match up with those claimed points profits.

The only thing that I can think of is that the sales material has been designed to appeal to two types of punters. Those who know very little, in which case, £4,000 per week sounds like a dream come true. And those who do know about betting, in which case 40 something points per month is just on the cusp of believability, whilst still being a hugely impressive number.

 Naturally, none of this inspires confidence at all. In fact, these are some of the most questionable results I have seen for some time. And in my opinion, if you can’t trust Dr. John Frederick’s results, then you just can’t really trust Punters United as a product. As such, this isn’t a service that I would recommend.


Comments (1)

Signed up for this, it looks like a sc*m as there were no tips forthcoming. When you clicked on the link to download the ebook, it took you to another page requesting you pay an extra £39.99 for these tips. Have got a refund now from the initial £29.99 fee from Clickbank. So avoid at all costs.

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From: Simon Roberts