Who Ate All the Pies Review Telegram Tips.

Who Ate All the Pies is a relatively long standing football betting tipster service which is being offered through Telegram Tips. Selections come courtesy of Jamie Gregory and to date, he has produced some seemingly impressive results.

Introduction to Who Ate All the Pies

Over lock-down, as have many people, I have got a bit thicker around the waist. There isn’t much to do, aren’t many places to go to, etc. And so, I spend a lot of time grazing, following sports and the betting world, and generally watching my paunch expand. I know that all of this is very tangential, but it is very important for me to paint a picture as to why I ended up in a full on belly laugh (something that is apparently getting easier as it gets bigger) at myself when today’s subject landed on my desk.

Welcome to Who Ate All the Pies. A football tipster service that manages to stand out from the competition simply by virtue of being… Well, seemingly competent, if I’m honest. There aren’t really any gimmicks here or BS. Instead, Jamie Gregory is pretty refreshingly open about the fact that you are getting something that is relatively straight forward, that is engaging, and ultimately, is profitable. It is also the first time that Telegram Tips have ventured into football betting, so I am actually pretty excited to see what they can do.

Now, so far so good, right? Well, whilst I think there is a lot to like about Who Ate All the Pies, there are also a lot of things that really require some serious thought. Without looking to give too much away here, not everything is quite as it seems at first glance. Now, that doesn’t mean that Jamie Gregory and Telegram Tips are doing anything wrong per se. I just think it’s important to paint a complete picture of what you are getting into. So, let’s get started with that.

What Does Who Ate All the Pies Offer?

I don’t tend to be shy about the fact that I quite like how Telegram Tips operate. They refer to their services as being “Reinvented For The Modern Punter” and I think that this shows in a lot of what they do. Combine this with the fact that Jamie Gregory has a decent structure to Who Ate All the Pies and you have a service that is well managed and easy to follow along with (most of the time).

So, first things first, I want to address the logistical elements. Given that Who Ate All the Pies is a football tipster service, as you would probably expect, you don’t receive selections every day. However, I do think that it’s fair to credit Jamie Gregory as he does manage to find bets with a commendable regularity. You really are just missing the odd day rather than just a few sets of high volume tips each day.

As is pretty much standard these days, Telegram Tips send out selections directly via email. To be completely fair to Jamie Gregory, you also get a decent amount of time to actually get these bets placed and seek out the best possible odds. This isn’t something that I would say is critical if you are following Who Ate All the Pies, but it is something that I do think I would probably look to recommend.

Moving away from the logistical elements, I want to talk about the bets themselves, because this is an area where I really feel like Jamie Gregory stands out compared to a lot of other services on the market. And the biggest element of this in my eyes is the fact that you simply cover so many different betting markets.

In the sales material, the following bet types are all listed as markets that Jamie Gregory may look to bet on:

  • Full Time Result – Win/Draw
  • Full Time Result & BTTS
  • Full Time Result & Under/Over Goals
  • Halftime/Full Time Result
  • BTTS & Under/Over Goals
  • Under/Over Goals

As well as all of these, a lot of the bets are advised to be brought together into a double as well. This leads to some of the biggest winners with Who Ate All the Pies where you are often betting on double figure odds.

On the subject of odds, Who Ate All the Pies generally does a good job of rooting out those value bets, as you would probably expect. Since June 2020, there have been just 14 bets that have had odds of less than evens. For football betting, that is pretty decent. The average odds of 4.66 are also impressive, however, I do feel like these are somewhat skewed by those longer shot doubles. Being realistic, you will typically be betting between 2.0 and 4.0 following Jamie Gregory.

One thing that I do genuinely quite like about Who Ate All the Pies is that it isn’t too high volume. By and large, when bets are available there are no more than 4 bets on a given day. These are two individual bets, the double, and sometimes there are other bets that carry some potential. This reduces the amount of work you have to do and, in theory, helps to manage the stakes.

Which brings me to the biggest issue that I have with Who Ate All the Pies, if I’m completely honest. The staking plan is one that, in my mind, feels a little bit inflated. It is generally recommended that you are staking 5 points on each individual bet and 2 points on the double. This means that whilst you may only be placing 4 bets per day, that is a potential 17 point drawdown, which is quite significant.

One of the things that theoretically offsets this at least a little is an average strike rate which sits at 37.16%. That is a bloody impressive number all things considered. With that said, I think it is noteworthy that this is bolstered somewhat considerably by a strong start with the actual strike rate falling month on month since then.  

How Does Who Ate All the Pies Work?

Jamie Gregory says that he has had an interest in football for a long time, with an interest in betting on the game since the age of 16. This experience has seemingly led to him focusing in on certain football betting markets, something that he says you have to study a lot in order to see returns in the long term. Honestly, these are all sentiments that I agree with. Value is hard to find in football more often than not, and that oft means leaning on more niche markets.

Outside of this, there isn’t a whole lot of information on how Who Ate All the Pies actually works and what the selection process entails. This is something that does concern me a little bit. Jamie Gregory makes reference to studying form and watching market movements, as well as listening to “sources”, but I do find all of that to be a bit vague. The same applies to the talk of knowledge and research. It sounds pretty good, but it doesn’t actually say much.

Where this is particularly problematic for me is the fact that I am a strong proponent of knowing what you are getting yourself into. I don’t expect a detailed, step by step breakdown. Not by any means. But I would like to see something solid that demonstrates it is worth sticking with a tipster, especially if you hit a downturn in results. Something that becomes very poignant with Who Ate All the Pies in my opinion.

Now, all of this is somewhat offset by the fact that Telegram Tips do provide comprehensive proofing. It gives you a good idea of what you can expect in terms of the results, and importantly, what sort of losing streaks you might face (the longest to date saw a loss of 42 points). Whilst it isn’t a replacement for insight into a selection process in my eyes, it is definitely better than nothing.  

What is the Initial Investment?

There are three different options available if you want to sign up to Who Ate All the Pies, each of which varies hugely in terms of outlay and value. The first of these is a monthly subscription which is set at £43 per month. This is the cheapest option, but it is undoubtedly the most expensive in the long term.

Next there is a quarterly subscription. This is priced at £44 for your first quarter, after which the price rises to £88 per quarter. Representing the best value is a 6 monthly subscription. This is just £89 for your first 6 months, however, the price rises to £121 once this has elapsed.

Whichever option you choose, it is noteworthy that Telegram Tips do not offer any sort of money back guarantee or refund on their service. This doesn’t count too much against them, however, it does mean being serious about committing if you want to get any sort of value out of Who Ate All the Pies.

What is the Rate of Return?

As I write this, Who Ate All the Pies stands at a very respectable looking profit of 314.8 points. Given that this is the result of around 8 months of betting, it is a very impressive number. The kind of  result that I would probably expect to see from a tipster who is doing particularly well over the course of a year. The ROI which sits at 29.7% is also a solid result which reflects how well Jamie Gregory has performed historically.

With all of that said, let’s address a few contextual points. Firstly, whilst I believe that there is arguably some merit to the staking plan that is in place, it is hard to ignore that it does inflate the results somewhat. Also worth highlighting is that January did end in a small loss of 7 points. Given those stakes, it isn’t a big deal, but it would be remiss of me not to mention it.  

Conclusion for Who Ate All the Pies

There are a lot of things that I find to be a little concerning when weighing Who Ate All the Pies up, most of which end up coming back to the staking plan in some way or another. With that in mind, I want to start by addressing those issues, because frankly, they are the biggest negatives and require the most discussion.

First things first, the actual stakes. As I said, I am not averse to the structure. It makes sense to bet less on higher risk doubles, even if they come with bigger pay outs. But it is also hard to ignore that you could cut the staking plan (and results, as it would happen) in half and still have a very viable approach. Now, I don’t necessarily believe that Jamie Gregory and Telegram Tips have used these stakes to boost the results, but it would be naïve to entirely overlook this.

The real issue that stems from the staking plan in my opinion is that draw-down. Losing 42 points in just a few days is concerning, no matter how you dress it up. It especially worries me that this risk isn’t something that Jamie Gregory or Telegram Tips address. We all know that losing bets is part of betting. If there were guaranteed, sure fire winners, day in and day out, I wouldn’t be writing this because I’d have retired somewhere tropical a long time ago.

Now, I want to be clear that this isn’t entirely about the losing streak that has happened. It was pretty rough, but it wasn’t the end of the world. The real issue that I have is that it could be so much worse than this. Jamie Gregory isn’t exactly betting on favourites, and a losing streak can quickly spiral when you’re staking 5 points per bet. I know this, because I’ve seen it happen with so many tipsters before.

 All of that is what really puts me off Who Ate All the Pies. There are very definite issues with the results, mostly centred around the inflation in my opinion. But that is very much part and parcel of tipster services these days. As such, whilst I would definitely say to keep this in mind, but it doesn’t have to be a deal breaker.

What is a deal breaker for me though is that loss potential. I can very easily see Who Ate All the Pies going incredibly wrong, and if it does… Well, it could be some time before you recover. You may not even get a chance to recover depending on when you come into a service. I’ve looked at plenty of tipsters before Jamie Gregory  who have lost a betting bank over a period of time, but written it off because they’re still in profit. Except, you’re not if you join before that.

Bringing all of that together, I just can’t look to recommend Who Ate All the Pies. I got a damn fine chuckle out of the name, and the performance is passable enough. But there is a lot of risk involved here in my opinion. The fact that you can lose so much in a short space of time just seems… A bit short sighted. Especially because this is something that Jamie Gregory and Telegram Tips really do gloss over. Combine all of that with that lack of insight, and there are just too many concerning gaps for my taste.

 

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From: Simon Roberts