Win With Tim is a new to market horse racing tipster service which is being offered by tipster Tim White. He claims that his service can produce big profits from tiny stakes.
Introduction to Win With Tim
There are a lot of different ways that you might hope to make a profit. There are so many approaches that just sound so reasonable on paper. For example, producing big profits from small stakes. I mean, if you can do that, then you’re laughing, right? It is all incredibly straight forward.
With that said, simply saying that you are able to offer one of these many desirables just isn’t enough. If every tipster that I looked at was able to produce the 86% strike rates, or hundreds of thousands of pounds of profit that they claim. Well, I’d be writing this from a beach house somewhere, looking out over the ocean, and sipping a (fifth) Long Island Iced Tea.
As such, whilst Tim White makes some impressive claims about Win With Tim, I am somewhat inclined to treat them with a little pinch of salt. With that said, I will also say that there are some very interesting elements to the service. In fact, there are elements that are somewhat unique (at least to me). So, let’s jump right into this and separate the fact from the fiction.
What Does Win With Tim Offer?
There is honestly quite a lot that is involved with Win With Tim. However, I don’t necessarily think that it is a bad thing. Nor does actually mean that this is a particularly complicated tipster service, because it isn’t. In actual fact, once you have gotten to grips with everything, it is about as simple a tipster service as you can get.
I will admit that at this point, all I have probably done is served to muddy some waters. I’ve said that there is a lot involved, but it isn’t complicated. That might not make a whole ruck of sense, but it’s the truth. To help clarify things a little, I want to talk about how Tim White runs his service.
Every day, you will only be placing one bet (technically) which is something called a Canadian bet. Now, I will admit that I hadn’t heard of this before looking at Win With Tim, but it is pretty much what you would expect from the name. That is to say, a Yankee, but a bit more sophisticated (just a little joke there at the expense of our cousins over the pond. No offence meant).
Now I will get to what this entails a little later, but I think it is quite important to set the stage for what you are getting. In terms of the logistical side of Win With Tim, everything is pretty much the norm. Selections are issued on a daily basis (as mentioned). They however sent out the night before racing.
This allows you to get much better value in terms of your odds, whilst also opening Win With Tim to more people. The fact of the matter is that most of my readers are looking to supplement their income, and betting “on the clock” of a 9-5 just isn’t always an option.
The emails that Tim White sends out are a little bit lacking in flavour, however, they do convey everything that you need to know in order to get the bets placed. On the days where there are no selections available (which isn’t too common an occurrence), you are notified via email. Something which is always welcome, but not always offered.
At this point, there is no getting around the fact that we have to discuss the volume of bets. Now, Tim White is keen to highlight that Win With Tim is built around just one bet per day. I would somewhat refute this though. A Canadian bet is actually made up of a number of doubles, triples, four folds, and a five fold bet.
This means that the “one bet” that you are advised, is actually made up of 26 bets. Now, in and of itself, I suppose that you’re splitting hairs a bit. However, I feel like this does become somewhat problematic when you start to look at the staking involved with Win With Tim.
Now, Tim White is very forthright about the fact that he supposedly only stakes £26 on bets. This is of course actually, £1 on each of the 26 bets involved in a Canadian. All of this is relatively well and good, however there is very little context provided for what this means. You see, Win With Tim doesn’t really seem to have a defined staking plan.
I might be being a little bit facetious here, and that is very possible, but Tim White doesn’t actually talk about stakes much outside of the fact that he bets £26 “per bet”. With no advised betting bank or real context for what this kind of betting means, I ultimately find this a touch concerning.
However, if you are using £26 as a 1 point stake, then a 30 point bank should theoretically be enough. Personally though, I find that this kind of thing really adds to the lack of professionalism that I see in Win With Tim. And that quite reasonably concerns me.
On the subject of basic information that is missing, I also find it to be noteworthy that Tim White doesn’t actually talk about how often you can expect to win with Win With Tim. There is no claim of a strike rate, nor is there any real proofing provided from which we could extrapolate such a number. Again, this is a massive gap that you would expect from a genuine tipster.
How Does Win With Tim Work?
At the core of Win With Tim is very clearly the use of the Canadian bet type. Whilst I haven’t seen that specific type of bet before now, I have seen other tipsters use a fundamentally similar approach with some very mixed results. However, this is only one element of things. The fact of the matter is that anybody can lean on an exotic bet type as a way of sounding legit.
What few tipsters can do though is actively talk about what their selection process entails. Not necessarily in huge detail, but at least enough to get an idea of what you are getting yourself into. And not at all surprisingly to me, Tim White does no such thing.
Now that concerns me quite a lot. The fact of the matter is this. Whilst there may well be a system underpinning Win With Tim, it is also just as likely that there isn’t. Now it isn’t my place to say one way or another whether or not that is the case, but I will say that in my experience, genuine tipsters are able to talk about their systems and demonstrate that they are just that.
Honestly, this lack of information is somewhat problematic in my book. I believe that as a consumer, you should at the very least be able to make an informed decision about what you are getting into. Combine that with the fact that there isn’t any real proofing, and there is no real way of knowing what you are actually getting yourself into.
What is the Initial Investment?
There is just one option if you want to subscribe to Win With Tim. This is a one time payment of £30 (plus VAT) which we are told is for a 60 day trial. Now, there are a few issues that I have with this that I will discuss a little later on. But a lot of them boil down to the fact that I don’t believe that this is an accurate representation of what you are getting.
What I will say is that because Tim White is selling Win With Tim through Clickbank, there is a full 60 day money back guarantee in place (convenient, right?). Now, this is mentioned once in the sales material for the service, but the majority of the copy simply refers to that “trial period” instead.
What is the Rate of Return?
Now we come to the main reason that any of us are involved in betting, and that is how much money we can make. Tim White claims that in just 2 weeks of betting, he has been able to make a profit of £7,938.49. The clear implication here is that you can expect to see similar results.
Elsewhere, we are told that Tim White has made a profit using the same system that is behind Win With Tim to make a profit every month since March. We are also told that you can “increase your bank over 2000% in just ONE WEEK!”.
Conclusion for Win With Tim
I can see the appeal in Win With Tim. Claims like being able to produce almost £8,000 in a couple of weeks are always going to look impressive. And if I believed for one minute that this kind of result was attainable, I’d already be wrapping this review up. But not surprisingly, I don’t believe that this is a genuine claim.
Now, there are a lot of reasons for this, but one of the key ones stems from the fact that I Just don’t believe that it is worth putting weight behind the so called evidence or Win With Tim. In theory, betting slips seem like a pretty good way of demonstrating your claims, but anybody who has looked at a genuine tipster service will know that they aren’t really standalone proofing.
Let’s not forget. Tim White claims that he has been using the system behind Win With Tim since March. And he has supposedly made “PROFIT EVERY MONTH”. Now, if this is the case, I don’t really see why full proofing can’t be provided alongside the betting slips. Unless of course, they are cherry picked examples that fit a narrative structure.
Honestly, that latter option just seems more likely to me. I have looked at a lot of daily tipster services in my time reviewing them and betting systems. And most genuine tipsters are happy to talk a little bit about their selection process, provide proofing, and generally just ensure that you are best positioned to understand what exactly is on offer.
Given that we receive none of that from Tim White, it certainly raises a red flag. Truth be told, when I look at Win With Tim, I can’t help but feel like somebody has found Canadian bets, realised that there isn’t really anything on the market based around them, and seen an easy chance to capitalise on a potential new trade.
And I can appreciate that I could be wrong. And genuinely, I would love nothing more than for Tim White to email me and show me that Win With Tim genuinely represents the value for money that is claimed. But I find it quite unlikely that this will be the case.
So, factoring all of this in, I don’t think that I would really want to recommend Win With Tim. I can appreciate that it seems cheap, but that doesn’t mean value. I’ve said several times if you aren’t paying a lot of money for a naff service, you are still paying for a naff service. And that is ultimately what I think will end up happening with Win With Tim.