Winplaythings Review

Winplaytips is a new to market horse racing tipster service. There are some very strong results claimed, however, I confess to having my doubts about these.

Introduction to Winplaytips

If there is one thing that I think it is fair to say has become harder, it is telling what is and isn’t a genuine tipster service. The fact is that once upon a time, you only had to see a video that involved a middle aged guy getting out of a sports car on the drive of a mansion to know. But times have changed, and so the lines become more blurred.

Truthfully, I think my exposure to so many bad services has perhaps made me a bit cynical. When I first looked at Winplaytips, I presumed that I was looking at just another naff tipster that is trying to get people on board very quickly (usually to close their service just a few months later, not surprisingly).

Instead, my research shows something that has the potential to be genuine. And if it is, then Winplaytips is a very strong looking option. There are some great results, a seemingly extensive amount of proofing, and there are apparently lots of positive testimonials. So, is this a case of a genuine tipster simply being caught up in the white noise? Let’s have a look.

What Does Winplaytips Offer?

There are a massive number of questionable tipsters out there, and the first thing that counts for Winplaytips is that (despite having an incredibly familiar looking website) the service does seem to be different to a lot of these. That alone is actually a pretty good start here. But what does that mean for you as a potential subscriber?

Well, the fact of he matter is that whilst there are things that differentiate Winplaytips from some of the truly terrible tipster services out there, I also don’t think that it is necessarily doing anything particularly new either. Now, this is a horse racing tipster service so there are of course limits to what you can expect.

However, in the case of Winplaytips, this doesn’t means that you have a very typical logistical arrangement. Selections are sent out directly to subscribers via a WhatsApp group. A very interesting approach that means that there is little opportunity to miss advised selections, which is a positive of course. But that doesn’t mean that this approach is without fault.

Rather frustratingly, selections are sent out on the day of racing. Sometimes this can be less than an hour before the off. Something that the WhatsApp group definitely facilitates. Inevitably, this does mean that there are some restrictions on how Winplaytips will work for you. The fact of the matter is that you need to be in a position to drop everything and get the bets placed. Something that just doesn’t suit everybody.

On top of this, you do receive information on advised odds. A welcome addition. However, I do have some problems with this as well. First of all, you inevitably have to have a number of bookmaker accounts to take full advantage of these. There is a suggestion however that you can use Winplaytips through a betting exchange without a problem.

Moving on to the bets themselves is where you do start to see how Winplaytips differentiates itself a little from some of the more generic tipster services out there. All bets are advised as each way bets. This of course drastically improves your chance of a bet actually coming in. Which is fortunate because there are some long shots that you will be backing.

Whilst there aren’t any published “average odds” for Winplaytips, I can say that there is a very substantial range. For example, November (the last full month that is proofed) saw bets coming in at odds starting at 8/1 and going all the way up to 100/1. October saw the same kinds of results as well, whilst September went as high as 15/1. There are some big bets involved.

Unfortunately, there also tends to be a lot of them (at least, historically). Between August 2017 and November 2019 (again, the last fully proofed month) there were 3074 horses tipped. However, the tipping was a little sporadic in 2018 (missing out March through July). This means that there were an average of 128 bets per month or around 4 per day.

It is worth keeping in mind however that more recently, Winplaytips seems to have adopted a more selective approach. There are less bets being advised and they aren’t necessarily daily. This does mean that the service has become more manageable as time has passed. From what I have seen, this also appears to be the direction moving forward.

Now this only really leaves two points to consider. First of all, there is the strike rate for Winplaytips. Unfortunately, there are no claims that are made in this regard. And with so many months to look back over (as well as a proofing spreadsheet that is actually rather difficult to read) it is hard to calculate this as well.

The staking plan is rather interesting as well. The proofing is all provide to stakes of £3 each way (meaning £6 per bet), a point I will be coming back to when I talk about the profit and loss). Elsewhere in the sales material for Winplaytips, you are advised that you should be backing 0.5% of your betting bank.

How Does Winplaytips Work?

One of the things that we really aren’t told about Winplaytips is how anything works. The tipster who is behind the service simply doesn’t share any insight into what his selection process entails. This is something that is rather problematic for me though. As I’ve said for a long time, I believe that you really need to have some insight into what you are getting yourself into.

Don’t get me wrong, I think you can look at the proofing and get a reasonable idea of what is involved here. You are after all looking at backing horses to longer odds, which suggests that there is probably an element of identifying value. And the selective nature that has started to become apparent suggests that there is probably some kind of system happening.

The fact of the matter is though, that all of this is speculative. And no matter how well informed your speculative guess may bet, it is still ultimately that. Speculation. In my opinion, that just isn’t really good enough.

Sure, there is some mitigation in the fact that the proofing provided is particularly extensive, however, in my opinion, it just isn’t a replacement for that insight. Especially because if you are betting on longer shots, you really have to know what you are getting into. And given the fact that there does appear to have been a change in approach somewhere along the line, I think this is especially important.

What is the Initial Investment?

One of the things that is definitely a positive about Winplaytips is that the service isn’t really that expensive. At the time of writing, there is just one option that is available and that is a 14 day free trial which leads into a monthly payment of £29.99. Honestly, that isn’t necessarily a terribly large amount to be asking for a service. We are also told that there will be a yearly subscription coming soon that will be priced at £199.

It is also worth noting that this does come with a full 60 day money back guarantee should you find that this isn’t for you. Now, unfortunately, this isn’t mentioned in the sales material for Winplaytips, however it is backed up by Clickbank who process the payment.

What is the Rate of Return?

Earlier, I mentioned about how the £3 each way stakes impact the results and that I would be coming back to this. Because honestly, it is important. You see, the sales material for Winplaytips claims that there has been a profit made of £7,908. Using those £3 stakes as a single point means that over the 24 months that there have been proofed tips, a profit of 2,636 points have been made.

What is much more interesting to me though is the results over the course of 2019. These show a profit for the period of some 646 points, a number that is still particularly high. What is noteworthy about all of these numbers in my book though, is that the proofing happens to have simply stopped in November. There could be innocent reasons for this, but it would also be naïve to overlook this element of Winplaytips.

Conclusion for Winplaytips

I am actually pretty polarised by Winplaytips. Because honestly, what is good is pretty substantial. In fact, if I hadn’t been doing this for as long as I have, I think I’d be wrapping this one up with a pretty hardy recommendation. But the fact of the matter is that there are a few gaps that in my opinion are really quite important.

First of all, there is a pretty substantial gap in proofing. I could potentially understand if there was a week or so missing, but there are just 2 bets that have been proofed since December and even that was just for the 4th. This means that there is effectively a 2 month window of time where there just hasn’t been any proofing. That is a substantial time period.

Now this could be for innocent reasons. The tipster behind Winplaytips may simply struggle with the technical elements of maintaining a spreadsheet of proofing through Google Drives. There could be a number of other reasons as well, but it is hard not to see this kind of thing and not think the worst. At least, for me it is.

The fact of the matter is that ultimately, you have to apply Occam’s Razor here. What is the most likely reason that the proofing has not been updated? A bad run of form that a tipster wants to avoid publishing? A lack of interest in keeping a record once a service has ben launched? There could be genuine reasons, but it seems that they are less likely, at least in my experience.

On top of that, there is also the fact that you aren’t ever informed about the selection process. Again, there could be plenty of above board and genuine reasons for this. But it is really quite difficult not to see a worst case scenario, namely, a bit of a lack of a decent underlying system.

With those suspicions discussed, let’s look at the positives. Those results are very strong indeed. The points profit is particularly strong, both in the long term and over the last 12 months. This of course does give a particularly compelling reason to give this a go.

Another thing that I skipped over a little that deserves a positive mention is the way the tipster behind the service has set everything up. A WhatsApp group isn’t necessarily the most obvious way of running a tipster service but I can really see how that works well for subscribers. The fact is that as well as allowing for up to the minute updates, you also have a direct method of contact with the tipster.

So, this is a bit of a mixed bag for me, but ultimately, I think that it might well be worth giving Winplaytips the benefit of doubt. Here’s the thing. There is a lot that could be wrong here. But there is also a lot that really seems to be right too. Now, if the asking price were £50 per month, I just couldn’t see this as being worth a punt, but it’s not.

With that 14 day free trial, I think you can bet on paper and get a very good idea of whether or not this is something that will work for you personally. Furthermore, even once this ends, there is still value to be had here due to the low cost involved. As such, this is something that is really worth checking out, although I wouldn’t immediately start throwing down big bets if it were me.


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From: Simon Roberts